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Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Vin 11-Noi-2016 17:34
de Călin George

Salut! Dupa ce am ținut masina in curte o luna, am scos-o la o "plimbare". La ieșirea de pe strada am accelerat pana la 3000+ turații a-ntâia si a doua, iar in bord a apărut acest dialog împreuna cu martorul "check Enigine". Acum apare de fiecare data cand pornesc motorul, apropo de motor, pornește foarte greu si scoate mult fum alb: Am citit mai multe cauza: ba ca s-ar fi dus filtrul de particule, ba ca ar fi motorina proasta etc. Aștept o părere de la voi despre problema si cum ar trebui rezolvată. Mulțumesc anticipat!
Re: Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Vin 11-Noi-2016 18:52
de mihaistan
Salutare , fara o diagnoza , sunt doar discutii care nu fac nimic altceva decat sa te indeparteze de la rezolvarea problemei .
Re: Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Vin 11-Noi-2016 20:25
de lucianmarius
Este o eroare generala de multe ori. La mine a fost de la regulatorul de pe pompa de inalta presiune. M-am dus eu suparat la service sa il scot, sa ii arat eu lui, m-a linistit mecanicul dupa diagnoza si a reparat masina.
Mergi pe sfatul lui Mihai!
Re: Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Lun 15-Iun-2020 21:12
de luci84tm
Salutare, am aceeasi eroare si eu acuma in bord, de cateva zile..
Cum a ti rezolvat problema, care a fost cauza?
Re: Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Mar 16-Iun-2020 08:59
de Sorinpp
Faceti o diagnoza, poate sa fie un injector care nu lucreaza in parametrii sau nu se mai regenereaza filtrul de particule, s a mers mult in oras si nu a avut timp sa se regenereze.
La mine a fost problemă cu un piston, care era fisurat...
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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Sâm 20-Iun-2020 21:52
de luci84tm
Am facut diagnoza si am urmatoarele erori:
Cod: Selectaţi tot
P1447 Differential exhaust pressure signal
Properties
Cause Local
Status Permanent fault
Characterisation of the fault Particle filter clogged
List of associated variables
Particle filter load state Not charged
Engine speed 3136 rpm
Particle emission filter flow in volume 423529 l/h
Inlet pressure 2.55 Bars
Air flow sensor air temperature 29 °C
Measured air flow 1424 mg/impulse
Distance travelled since the last regeneration 196 Km
Particle filter differential pressure 0.40 Bars
P1471 EGR valve
Properties
Cause Local
Status Intermittent
Characterisation of the fault Open circuit
List of associated variables
Engine speed 3264 rpm
Battery voltage 14.36 Volt(s)
EGR valve position reference value 0 %
EGR valve position repeat 0 %
Inlet pressure 2.22 Bars
EGR electrovalve opening cyclic ratio -100 %
Measured air flow 1176 mg/impulse
Air flow setting 1071 mg/impulse
Prima diagnoza unde imi arata load 113%


ultima diagnoza imi arata 166% load

Se pare ca e infundat si nu mai trage masina..
Da in ulimele luni din cauza corona am mers numai in oras cate 5-10km.
Re: Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Lun 22-Iun-2020 09:57
de iulian.arg
Dupa presiunea diferentiala la relanti (Differential pressure...) filtrul pare infundat bine de tot.
Recomand o curatare specializata cu demontare de pe masina. Nu e operatiune scumpa iar daca filtrul fizic este in stare buna, o sa ajunga ca nou dupa curatare.
Atentie, curatarea trebuie facuta cum trebe, cu demontare, pus filtrul in cuptor cateva ore bune, apoi scos, suflat si spalat cu o solutie speciala.
Spalare cu apa, sau solutii miraculoase turnate in rezervor, nu rezolva nimic pe termen lung.
Eu am trimis filtrul la Sf. Gheorghe unde fac curatare de asta si s-a intors filtrul ca nou (doar dupa curatarea in cuptor). Din pacate filtrul meu era terminat fizic si nu s-o mai putut face nimic. L-am montat asa pe masina si cel putin am scapat de presiunea diferentiala imensa. De la 800mbar in sarcina maxima inainte de curatare, a ajuns la 100mbar dupa semicuratare. Masina mergea mai bine dar tot scotea fum la accelerari puternice pentru ca filtrul era perforat.
Insa daca masina are teava de esapament neagra de funingine, filtrul este cel mai probabil deteriorat fizic si nu se mai poate face nimic sa-l restaurezi si sa-l faci ca nou. In cazul asta recomand un filtru aftermarket. Iesi mai ieftin decat eliminarea fizica + soft.
Re: Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Lun 22-Iun-2020 10:24
de luci84tm
Trebuie sa mai urmaresc presiune, in mers..
Dar am observat o infundare f rapida in ultimii km.
Eu din pacate locuiesc in DE si preturile pt curatare sunt mai mari -> 388€
la 246km se pote sa fie filtru praf, sau?
By the way siteul de la citroen de service pt a vedea piesele nu mai este accesibil doar daca platesti, nu mai pot vedea codul pieselor acolo..
Ma poate ajuta cineva cu un cod pt filtru?
Datele masinii:
C5 (X7) BREAK 5 USI 2.0 HDi 138 FAP CUTIE DE VITEZE MANUALA 6
An fabricatie 04/2009
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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Lun 22-Iun-2020 10:28
de luci84tm
inca o intrebare: cat de complicata e demontarea filtrului, daca as avea acces la un elevator?
e nevoie de taiere sau sudura ulterioara ?
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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Lun 22-Iun-2020 11:31
de iulian.arg
Demontarea daca ai elevator e relativ simpla. Sunt 4 suruburi care prind filtrul de catalizator si apoiun surub la clema din spate. Apoi mai este un surub la conducta de presiune diferentiala. Daca masina nu e foarte ruginita, si n-ar trebui sa fie, toate suruburile se vor desface. Daca nu, le tai, inafara de conducta de presiune care daca nu se desface, poti sa iei alta din dezmembrari sau noua. Nu e foarte scumpa.
Daca curatarea e asa scumpa pe acolo recomand aftermarket categoric.
Daca masina ta este euro 4, asta ar fi un filtru pentru ea:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DPF-DIESEL-PAR ... SwUqVb5Ub1
Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Lun 22-Iun-2020 11:57
de luci84tm
ms mult de informatii si de raspunsul prompt.
Masina este euro 5
Imi apare regulat is eroare de EGR : P1471
Si asta de ceva ani de fapt.
Am tot ignorat-o ca disparea si mai ales ca nu apare in bord..
Ma gandesc: nu poate fi de la EGR deschis sa mi se infunde de fapt si rezolv problema cu filtrul dar nu cauza?
Aici e si un log al erorilor:
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246122 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
246122 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
246118 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
246113 km P1671 Engine management ECU Cruise control information incoherent distant
246113 km P1447 Engine management ECU Differential exhaust pressure signal particle filter
clogged local
246113 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
246060 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
246052 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
246052 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
246001 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
246001 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245976 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
245950 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245950 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245844 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245844 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245700 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
1 of 7 6/15/2020 9:53 PM
245700 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245665 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245665 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245658 km ABC0 Parking assistance Exterior frontáleft sensor fault short circuit to
positive. Local
245658 km ABC0 Parking assistance Exterior frontáleft sensor fault short circuit to
positive. Local
245642 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245642 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245635 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245635 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245624 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
245620 km F95A Telematic unit (RTx) or audio-navigation
Telematic unit ECU internal fault not
characterised. Local
245615 km F95A Telematic unit (RTx) or audio-navigation
Telematic unit ECU internal fault not
characterised. Local
245556 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245556 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245537 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
245535 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245535 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245531 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
245484 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245484 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245427 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
245424 km B950 Telematic unit (RTx) or audio-navigation
Fault on the right-hand rear audio output short
circuit to earth. Local
245420 km B950 Telematic unit (RTx) or audio-navigation
Fault on the right-hand rear audio output short
circuit to earth. Local
2 of 7 6/15/2020 9:53 PM
245339 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245339 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245313 km P1471 Engine management ECU EGR valve open circuit local
245261 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245261 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245167 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245167 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245134 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
245134 km F07A Built-in Systems Interface Engine relay unit : cAN fault. Not characterised.
Local
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Re: Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Lun 22-Iun-2020 12:56
de iulian.arg
Daca masina are 100kW este euro 4 sau e model pentru Belgia.
Daca are 103kW este euro 5. Dar dupa data de productie este euro 4.
EGR-ul deschis sigur il simti ca face masina sa mearga fara turbo practic.
EGR-ul insa mai degraba e victima filtrului de particule blocat decat invers.
Re: Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Lun 22-Iun-2020 15:08
de luci84tm
Masina e Euro 5 asta stiu sigur, scrie si in talon.
Legat de EGR: at inseamna ca filtrul meu e de mult timp infundat, deoarece eroarea de EGR o am de mult timp(ani

)
Eroare aceea aparea, disparea. mi am imaginat ca e datorita traseelor scrurte din oras in anumite perioade.
At inteleg ca nu are rost sa incerc prima data sa schimb EGR-ul, mai bine ma ocup de DPF.
Eventual dupa aceea sa verific daca eroarea de EGR mai apare.
la 166% nu cred ca mai sunt sanse de regenerare cu success si desfundare automata, correct ?
Re: Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Lun 22-Iun-2020 16:35
de iulian.arg
Poti sa incerci sa-l cureti dar sunt mari sanse ca filtrul sa fie perforat fizic si efectul de filtrare sa nu mai existe. Adica vei scoate fum ca la balamuc mai ales cand se apropie regenerarea. De aceea daca tot esti in germania, poti cauta un filtru aftermarket pentru masina ta si daca ai acces la elevator il poti schimba singur.
Ce cod motor are masina? Daca e RHR, e euro 4? Codul motor e parte din VIN. Daca ai dubii pune VIN-ul masinii.
Vad ca mai nou un DPF pentru euro4 este ~120 euro. Pentru euro 5 este dublu.
Re: Anti-pollution system faulty
Scris: Lun 22-Iun-2020 16:55
de luci84tm
Nu stiu unde e codul motor, trebuie sa ma uit mai bine la masina.
Aici e parte din serie:
VIN: VF7RWRHF89Lxxxxx
Multumesc anticipat.